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and compensation for their relatives. our world affairs correspondent, jon brain, is in oslo and has spoken to one of the survivors from the island. >> more and more he details are emerging of what happened on that island, as anders breivik carried out his 90-minute gun rampage. some of the information coming from the survivors who had a particular trauma there. ivan is one of them. ivan, you actually came pretty much face to face with the gunman. tell me what happened. >> well, when he started shooting, we ran down to the water on the back side of the island, and i tried to hide behind some rocks, but there were too many of us to hide, and up to 40, 45 minutes, he came out, and he saw us and he told us that we were from the police and he was safe. i didn't believe him, and some of the other guys did, and he shot them. and he started shooting around me, and he got several several of the guys around me, and then he had to reload his gun. and then i got my chance to get away, and i run into the water, and i started swimming. i got my clothes off, boots off, and started swimming. >> was he still firi
politicians. if he were here today he could be with jon stewart, he could be anybody, he uld be with stephen colbert and meet them eye to eye. that he was funny. how often have w seen a polician like that? not in a long time. >> rose: how do you think president obama's doing on those standards? >> well, i think the one thing he did care about, lincoln, originally, the emotional intelligence set of issues, i think he does have those. when you watch him around a table he makes sure everybody speaks, h listens to people with opposing advice. i think the thing you ve to learn when you get into the presidency is that a certain point you can't listen anymore. lincoln finally said "consensus can be paralyzing, you have to decide when to act." >> rose: wow. >> so that everyone around a table, for example, he debated emancipation for two months, three months, and everybody had different points of view. don't do it, do it, do it yesterday. he finally decided i'm making my mind up and issuing the emancipation proclamation. he goes to the cabinet and says "i don't want your ideas. i've made up my mind.
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